Saturday, December 13, 2008

We Sikhs, Not Hindus



Another attack to abolish Sikh culture by ZEE TV…..

"BAANI GURU GURU HAI BAANI !!

VICH BAANI AMRIT SAARE !!

GURBAANI KAHEY SEWAK JAN MAANE !!

PARTAKH GURU NISTAARE !!

" Maaney naahin ved bhed simrat puran ke,
Pujat na Bhairon bhoot girja ganidun hain.
Tith, waar, shakun, mahurt na jaane kachu,
Rahu, ketu,shani, shukra,chandramaa danidun hain.
Jaat, paat, mantra, jantra, tantra, vrat,shradh, hoam,
Sandhya, sutak aad ko viswaasu nahin bindu hain.
Dasmesh ko saput KHALSA hai bhinn panth,
Mahaa hai agiyani Jou yaako kahey - Hindu hai.

[We do not accept the authority of. The Vedas, neither that of Simritis and Puranas. We worship neither Bhairva, nor Ganesha. We recognize neither Tithis nor Omens, nor days. Neither Rahu, Ketu, Shani, Shukar, Sun nor Moon. We do not believe a bit in Sandhya, Sutak, Caste, Varna, Jantar, Mantar, Fasting, Homa or Shradh. Disciples of the Tenth Master, Khalsa Panth is distinct. Really ignorant is he who calls Khalsa as Hindu.]

I am confident that the Sikhs are the only Indian people who have maintained their country’s ancient culture and its dress and code of conduct intact.

You have to ask other people what country they belong to but as soon as you see a Sikh, you immediately and automatically come to know that he is an Indian any where in the world.

The base of Sikh religion is not from Vedas.The concept of 'Vedas truthfulness' and supremacy is not accepted in Sikh religion.

The Sikhs neither eat the ex-creata (dung) of cows, drink it's urine nor clean their houses by the dung of cows to purify. Sikhs are also not ready to perform any Gomedh Yagna, they also do not call the visitors as 'Goghn.'

In 1898, when S. Kahan Singh ji of Nabha wrote the book,"HAM HINDU NAHIN" to answer the Hindu miscreants, he refers Sir Lepel Griffin,"The Sikhs had abandoned the Hindu faith, and with it the system of law which is the basis of that faith and which was inseperable from it. For a hundred and fifty years they had been governed, as far as chiefships were concerned, by another code altogether, and it was as reasonable for them to refer to Manu and the Shastra as the source of legal authority, as it would have been for Muhammadans, who had embraced Sikhism to appeal to the Shara.
(The Rajas of the Punjab P.338)

If we deeply look into this matter, the method which was used to disband the religious signs of Hindus in era of Aurangzeb is adopted by these fanatics and miscreants RSS people to apply on Sikhs to disband them from their religious signs. They have only one goal in their minds, by taking away their signs of religion, all of them be submerged in Hindus. Thus the sign of or religion (SIKH) be abolished forever.

YEH YAAD RAKHNA CHAHIYE RSS EK BESHARAM SANGTHAN HAI. (Sharam hai unko magar aati nahin).



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It is a befitted reply to the fanatic Hindu elements of RSS, and to answer Rashtriya Sikh Sangat, whose leaders are the misguided brothers of Sikh religion, but away from the mainstream of Sikhism in lack of the preachings and warnings of Gurus, playing in the hands of enemies of Sikh religion and harming their own independent identity by becoming VIBHISHAN. We will suitably answer to Rashtriya swayamsevak sangh in their own language i e tit for tat. They can understand this one language only. Viewers are requested to kindly send their valuable suggestions, Text materials, references, pictures and all other knowledge to share and update for the high spirit of Panth.

In Islam, Muslims are bound to perform the Namaaz at least 5 times a day, Hindus are restricted to Muhurats, Fasts etc. In Chrishtianity, Christ has introduced himself as son of God (Are the others born of Shaitan?) and gives a call to his followers to come to him as he is the their savior.

SIKHISM is the only religion, which gives liberty to its followers to worship the Almighty, Omnipresent WAHEGURU any time any where. Ladies also enjoy full liberty as they are free to recite Gurbaani from Guru Granth Saahib ji, even during their mansturation periods. Their Ladyship is highly regarded as they give birth to Peers, Paigambers, Deities and Lords. How could she be achoot or down trodden. HATH KAAR--MUKH DAATAR. Recite his name while you earn, sleep or traveling. You are at your liberty.

Apart from non-Sikh readers in India and abroad there are now among the Sikh people themselves, a class of adolescents and even middle aged persons who under the stress of present-day urban living, have lost touch with the fundamental principles and vision of their faith. If it had not been so , some of them may not have joined Rashtriya Sikh Sangat in adolescent and not axing the tree of their own faith in ignorance. Basic believes---The devotional path. GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI------- The presiding deity (GURU) of the Sikh faith is called ADI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI.

It represents the inspired or revealed Word of God, and all worshipers while entering the Temple, bow to it, make to it offering of money and sacred food, recite it to seek blessings and hear its pronouncements with deep faith. This is kept wrapped in Silken or other valueable robes, is constantly waved over with a fly-whisk and installed under an ornate canopy. All in its presence must squat in the prayerful posture called in India Padmaasan (the lotus posture ) and never sit on a or any elevated seat. All these are the distinctive marks of venetration shown to royalty. As a matter of fact, the assembly in a Sikh Temple is known as a Darbaar or Court, and the mystic holy Presence refered to as Mahaaraj (Great king)

Ek-Ishwar-waadi,---The teachings of the Gurus permeated with the non dualistic vision or monism, attainment of which is the highest goal of the religious life.

“Dujaa kaahe simariye jammey te mar jaaye,Eko simrao naanka, Jal thal raheyaa samaaye !!

Hindus are dualistic----Bahu-ishwar-waadi,
who worship karors of Deities, Gods and Goddesses. You wont believe the no. is 33 karor, almost equal to the population of United India at the time of partition in 1947. The Hindu religion-------it can be called “Mixture of religions” or the storage of different religions but it is not a religion in itself as it is the Hodge-Podge of different religions and sects.

IK O-ANKAAR SATNAAM KARTAA PURAKH NIRBHAO NIRVAIR AKAAL MOORAT AJUNI SAIBHANG GUR PARSAAD !!!! JAP!!AAD SACH JUGAAD SACH HAI BHI SACH NAANAK HOSI BHI SACH !!

This is the Mool-Mantra or the basic creed of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Means “God is one, he is supreme, Eternal reality, Creator, Purusha, without fear, without rancour, timeless form, Unborn, Self-existent, realized through Divine Grace.”Sayeth Naanak O, Searcher after Truth, meditate on the name. WAHEGURU, God the Boundless Divine Reality, the remover of the veil of ignorance from the human mind, who was true and self existent before creation, was the through all the ages (yugas), is true now, and shall be true and self existent for all times to come.

If the definition of Hinduism is asked from a “Shiv-bhakt’, his definition would be different than a ‘Vishnu-bhakt’ or a ‘Durga-bhakt.’ Jains and Bodhis (followers of Buddha) also calls themselves Hindus, though practicing their faith as per the path shown by their Lords. So until RSS does not answer and define Hindu religion, how can they say Sikhs are Hindus or part of the main stream of Hindu religion. The Sikh faith being strictly monotheistic, they worships only one almighty god WAHEGURU. See the basic creed of Sikh religion in the beginning t of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,:---

Now I take the basic principles followed by Hindus:-----· Yagya and Hawans are performed while worshiping. While performing Yagya or Hawans, It is performed by so called higher cast Brahmins only. The arrogant assumption of holiness by the Brahmins in India.· Race, cast and creed, division of followers into four varnas or creeds i.e. Brahmins, Khatri, Vaish and Shudra..· Authenticity of Vedas and Sanskrit as Dev baani.· Unequal and Untouchable. Avtaar- waad or Re-incarnation of God,· Division of ages for different purposes of life,· Ashram- Dharma,· Moorti-Pooja.· Snakes, Oxen, Rodents, Monkey etc. all are worshiped. There are many other issues also to be discussed but before that I would like to compare these with the teachings of Gurus to Sikhs.

(1) The practice to perform Yagya or Hawans is completely restricted by Sikh Gurus.

(2) Brahmins are not given any special status in Sikh religion because All are equal in Sikh religion. The arrogant assumption of holiness by the Brahmins in India. The Brahmins paraphernalia of ritual articles, Fasts, holi-baths, the Yogi's matted hairs Ocher robe, and ashes plastered limbs, 'the Bhakti devotees' dance and mimes--- in none of these does religion lie.(Gurbachan Singh Talib).”EK PITAA EKAS KE HAM BAARAK.”Further Naanak says,:--

Sri Rag Mahalla 1·
Nichan Andar Neech Jaat Neechi hun at Neech.

Naanak tin Kai Sang Sath Wadian seun kiya rees.

Jithe Neech Samaalian Tithe Nadar Teri Bakhsis."

I am lowly and low to be with the lowly; what have I to do with the high and the great of his world?”·

Jo tun Brahman Brahmni jaaeya !! Tao aan baat kaahe nahin aaeya !!

Tum kat Brahman Hum kat sud !! Hum kat Lohu Tum kat Dudh !! (Raag Gaori, Page 324).

If the Brahmins are made of higher casts than the Down-trodden or lower casts, than there must the milk be flown in their veins not the blood. They should also have been born from some other parts of body not through the same. It spreads the message of equality in mankind.

(3) Guru Nanak has condemned the practice of inequality among human beings. All are equal,

”Fakkar Jaati Fakkar Naon ! ! Sabhnaa jeeaan eikaa chaaon !!” ( Sri Raag ki Waar Mahalla 1, Page 93 ).

“Jan Naanak tin ke charan pakhaaley Jo har jan neech jaat sevkaan !! (Gond Mahalla 4, Page 861).•
“Saache te pawnaa bhayaa Pawne te jal hoye!!
Jal te tribhuvan saajiyaa Ghat-ghat jot samoy !!”

There is no difference in race of human kind, We are born of one and are one.

“Awwal Allah noor upayaa Kudrat ke sab bande !!

Ek noor te sab jag upjiyaa Kaun bhale ko mande !!•

“Neech Jaat Har japtiyan Uttam padwi paaye !!

Puchahu Bidar Daasi sutey Kisan utriyaa ghar jis jaaye !!
(Suhi Mahalla 4, Page 733 ).

“ Baran Jaat kou puchey naahin Baachahe charan beechaaro !!
(Gujari Mahalla 5,Page 498 ).

All these quotients from Sri Guru Granth Saahib Ji clears all doubts regarding any inequality in race, caste, or color. The sources we are earning from are also provided by the almighty even before the child takes birth. So why to hate the people doing dirty jobs? They are doing the best to clean the society, instead of appreciations they are condemned and hated, humiliated by so-called upper caste Brahmins and others in Hindu religion:-

“Maanukh ki jaat sabhey eikey pahchaanbo !!”

“ Jin prem kio tin hi Prabh paayo !!

(4) The supremacy of Vedas is not accepted in Sikh religion. Hence the concept of Sanskrit language as Dev-baani is also rejected by Gurus.•

“Bed Kateb Sansaar Habhaa hun Baahraa!! Naanak kaa Paatshahu disey Jaahraa !! (ASA Mahalla 5, Page 397).

“ Brahmaa Ved parey Waad vakhaaney !! Antar Taamasu Aap naa pachaaney !! (Gaori Mahalla 3, Page 231).

Read AASA DI WAAR----9th SALOK—
Parh parh gaddi ladiahe……..!! Likh likh parhia teta karia……..!! Paria hovey gunahgaar……!!

Also see:--
Parh pustak sandhiaa baadam….!!

Sikhs are guided to follow the preaches of Gurus only to meditate on the name of Waheguru.

“Dhur ki Baani aayi Tin sagli chint mitaayi “

“Baani Guru Guru hai Baani vich Baani Amrit saare !!

Gurbaani kahey Sewak jan maaney partakh Guru nistaarey !!”

“Satguru baajhaon hor kachi hai baani !!

Baani ta kacchi Satguru baajhhun hoar kacchi Baani !!

Kahede kache Sunde kache Kachi aakh vakhaani !! (Anand Sahib)

”As per Dr. Radha Krishnan, Yagya, Kurbaani, division of casts, Ashrams, Religion and immortality of Vedas ; all these are forced upon in Hindu religion and culture. Whereas all these are strongly condemned and restricted in Sikh religion.•

“Karam Dharam Paakhand jo deesahe Tin Jam jaagaati lootey !! 4 !! 50 !!
( Suhi mahllah 1, page 747).

(5) Avtaar-Waad----- Guru Naanak Dev ji clearly says in many salokas in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, that if Ram was god why his wife Sita, when kidnapped and taken to Lankaa, could not do any thing to get back. Why did he sought the help of Hanumaan? Why he was unable to cure and treat his brother Laxman when he fell unconscious ? vise-e-versa He also points that there can not be bigger mistake or presumption to accept that Krishan being God was born on Ashtami. God does need not to take birth. He himself is a creator and able to do everything.

(Bharon Mahalla 5,Page 1136)
"Sagli theet paas daar raakhi !! Ashtami theet Gobind janmiyaa si !!

Bharam bhule nar karat kachraayan !! Janam maran te rahat Naarayan !!

If Ram, Krishan or other Rishi, Muni, Peer-Paigamber were Gods, Why did they suffer like human beings?

(Raamkali ki waar Mahalla 1,Page 953).
Rove Raam nikaala bhaeyaa !! Sita Lakhman vichurh gayaa !!

(6)Ashram-Dharm ki Paalna:--
As per Hindu religion, the age of every person is considered above 75 years. Thus the division of age is divided and considered as follows:--• Upto 25 years of age ---BRAHMCHARYAA. Means every man shall have to keep himself away from ladies to avoid sex and to control his lust and desires.• From 25 to 50 of age.---GRAHASTH. To marry and raise his family and take care of family by every means.• From 50 to 75 of age-----Vaanprastha. That is while being in and as a member of family reduce your duties from your family, and practice to worship.• After 75---- That is now the time to go to forests for worshipping his God or Goddess. Leave the family and to be a sanyasi till death.

(7) Worship of Idols………Being the follwers of Saakar Brahm, Hindus make Idols of their Deities, Gods and Goddesses to worship by establishing these Idols as there ISHT or God. Mohsin Phaani, who was in India during the rule of Akbar, writes that there are neither statues nor any place to worship Idols in Sikh temples. How could there be a statue (IDOL) of mere stone be kind and helpful, or fulfill the desires of followers?• In his book,'Dabistan-e-majahab', he wries,"Sikhs do not enchant the Mantras or Salokas of Hindus which are written in Sanskrit language, (considered as Dev-baani or language of deities), and not placed supreme by Sikhs.He also writes,"Naanak panthi which are called Sikhs do not have any faith in idols or statues and their temples.

The important evidence is no Sikh Guru ever laid foundation of any temple or worshipped any statue in their life. The worship of idols is forbidden in Sikh religion.

“Jo paathar kao kahte Dev !! Taa ki birthaa hove Sev !!

Naa paathar bole Naa kichu dey!!Fokat karam nihfal hai sev !! 2 !!
(Bhairao Mahalla 5, Page 1160).

“Ghar mahe Thaakur nadar naa aavey !! Gal mahe paahan lai latkaavey !! 1 !! (Suhi Mahalla 5, Page 738).
“Hindu mule bhule akhuti jaahi !! Naarad kaheyaa se pooj karaahi !!

Andhe gunge andh andhaar !! Paathar le pujhe mugadh gawaar !! Ohe jaa aap dube tum kahaa taranhaar !! (Bihagre ki waar mahalla 4, Page).

“Jah jah dekhan tah tah soi !! (Prabhaati mahalla 1, Page 1343 ).

"Kaahe ko pujat paahan ko Kachu paahan main parmesar naahin !!
(33 Savaiye Paatshahi 10)

There is no place to worship or bow before the Idols in any such temple. This practice is strictly restricted by Gurus.

(8) Fasts:--The Hindu religion permits to fast on certain festive days and quite often on weekly days but this practice of fasts or keeping oneself hungry is condemned in Sikh religion.
See:--
  • "Ann na khaahi dehi dukh deejey Bin Gur giaan tripat nahin theejey !!
(Raamkali M.1 Page 905)
  • "Varat na rahao na mahe ramdaana !! Tis sevi jo rahe nidaana !! (Bharon M: 1, Page 1136).
  • "Man santoakh sarab jea daeya !! Ein bidh varat sampooran bhaeyaa !!
(Gaori thiti M: 5, Page 299)

There is clear and straight message in this regard to Sikhs. See:--

  • "Guru kaa Sikh ekaadashi aadik varat naa rakhe" (Rahetnaama Bhai Daya Singh Ji)
  • "Pooja varat upaarne var saraap siv sakat lavere !
  • Saadh sangat Gur sabad vin thaun naa paeyan bhale bhalere !! 7!! (Bhai Gurdaas, waar 5)

  • ਛੋਡਹਿ ਅੰਨੁ ਕਰਹਿ ਪਾਖੰਡ
Cẖẖodėh ann karahi pakẖand.
One who discards this grain, is practicing hypocrisy.

ਨਾ ਸੋਹਾਗਨਿ ਨਾ ਓਹਿ ਰੰਡ
Na sohagan na ohi rand.
She is neither a happy soul-bride, nor a widow.

  • ਕਬੀਰ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਛਾਡਿ ਕੈ ਅਹੋਈ ਰਾਖੈ ਨਾਰਿ ਗਦਹੀ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ ਅਉਤਰੈ ਭਾਰੁ ਸਹੈ ਮਨ ਚਾਰਿ ੧੦੮ Kabeer, the woman who gives up meditation on the Lord, and observes the ritual fast of Ahoi, shall be reincarnated as a donkey, to carry heavy burdens. ||

(9) This practice of becoming a Sanyaasi, Run away from social duties,by avoiding the family is strongly condemned. The principle is to worship the almighty Waheguru while doing your daily duties to-wards your family and society,”Hath Kaar-Mukh Daataar” means keep on chanting Waheguru with every breath you intake and throw out as well as doing your job. This way one kicks away the thoughts of any fruitful expectations from the almighty and believes in his (Waheguru’s) blessings.


“Udam karendiyaa jea tun Kamaavndiyaan such bhunch !!Dhiaaediyaan tun Prabhu mil Naanak utri chint !!”

“Chaar baran chaar ashram hai koi miley guru Gur naanak So aap tarey Kul sagle taraadho !!” (Kaanra Mahalla 4, Page1297).

Rat temple in Rajsthan -India.
(10) Worshipment of Snakes, Rodents, Oxen, Monkeys, even Shamshan and Sati's even LING POOJA (sex-symbol) is not spared and common in Hindu religion, whereas this practice of worshipping is condemned and strictly restricted in Sikh religion.

An Aghori Sadhu...

Why Hindu Eat Human Flesh?


Surprised with this question? Yes, its true. Hindu Aghori Sadhu Eat Dead Bodies.
Agoris are one among the groups who practice cannibalism. Agoris follow Shiva and some they that they follow Kali.

Agoris follow a principle called “I am god", according to them they are god (lord Shiva) and they believe that they have the power to stop human’s rebirth in earth.

These agoris do yoga to keep themselves healthy. They apply dead body ashes on their whole body and they believe that it will prevent them from diseases. The other reason for applying ashes is they want to look like lord Shiva who does the same.

See real face of so called ancient religion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lZZ4VLbZMU&NR=1

Snake temple in south India.

Devotees of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji believe they must control the animal instincts of Pride/Ego, Anger/Temper, Greed/Urges, Attachment/Dependency and Lust/Addiction. Sikhs should take Amrit and read Gurbani. Lust, anger, egotism, jealousy and desire are only eliminated by chanting the Name of the Lord.

By all these quotients, examples and arguments it is established that the Sikhs have there own independent identity as a separate nation (KAUM) and Sikhism is a religion to worship the almighty by the way shown to them by their Gurus.

In SUKHMANI SAHIB, last phrase of Ashtpadi-19, %th Guru Arjun Dev Ji says,:--

Eko jap eko saalahe !! Ek simar eko man aahe !! Ekas ke gun gaao anant !!
Man tan jaap ek bhagwant !!Eko ek ek har aap !! Puran poor rahio prabh biaap!!
Anik bisthaar ek te bhaye !! Ek araadh paraachat gaye !! Man tan antar ek prabh raata!! Gur parsaad naanak ik jaata !!

(11)-Role and Status of Sikh Women;

The Code of Manu states, "In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, then to her sons; a woman must never be independent. There is no God on earth for a woman than her husband.....She must on the death of her husband allow herself to be burnt alive on the same funeral pyre. That everyone will praise her virtue."

In Indian society, women were usually subject to various caste-rules and severe restrictions. They remained illiterate and were ill-treated. Female infanticide was often practiced.

Those who discriminate girls or women are Hindus:


Whereas our guru says:

ਨਾਰੀ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਭ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਭੁ ਏਕੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ

Women and men, all the men and women, all came from the One Primal Lord God.

ਨਾਰੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਸਬਾਈ ਲੋਇ ੩॥
Among all the women and the men, His Light is shining. ||3||

ਪੁਰਖ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਰਿ ਨਾਰਿ ਮਹਿ ਪੁਰਖਾ ਬੂਝਹੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ

The female is in the male, and the male is in the female. Understand this, O God-realized being!"

Guru Nanak condemned and challenged the idea of any inferiority and evil associated with women and freed her from slavery and taboos of the society. This practice of burning alive was first of all condemned by Guru Nanak Dev ji in late 15th century but it got abolished in Hindu religion by the efforts of Raja Ram Mohan Rai of West Bengal in 18th century.

In one of his hymns, he said:

"We are conceived in woman,
We are born to woman.
It is to woman we get engaged,
And then get married.
Woman is our lifelong companion,
And supporter of our survival.
It is through woman
That we establish social relationships.
Why should we denounce her
When even kings and great men are born from her?" (Asa di war)

(12)- Women In Hinduism
Let him cause the male offender to be burnt on a red-hot iron bed; they shall put logs under it, (until) the sinner is burned (to death) .” Manu Smrti.VIII.356

” A damsel who pollutes (another) damsel must be fined two hundred (panas), pay the double of her (nuptial) fee, and receive ten (lashes with a) rod. But a woman who pollutes a damsel shall instantly have (her head) shaved or two fingers cut off, and be made to ride (through the town) on a donkey.” Manu Smrti.VIII.369-370 :

A drum, an idiot, a shudra and a woman all need severe beating - Gosai Tulsi Das in Ramcharitmanas (Ramayan)

The wife must be obedient and submissive to the husband. She is to believe her husband to be her God. The wife shall not abandon her husband, even if he were blind, impotent, powerless, degenerate, lame or sick -- Sancta Likhita Smriti.

A good-natured wife always worships her husband, as if he were a God-- Manu Smriti V.154

On December 25th, 1927, Dr. B R Ambedkar burnt the copy of Manusmriti in protest to it's advocacy against the black laws of the Manusmriti against Dalits and women.

This is a verse from the manu smriti. can someone explain why woman is portrayed in such a manner. especially the last line which actually is SATI, which has been abolished in India now, since it was one of the biggest social evils to exist in the society.

In Hindu religion , the hairs of widows are cut and they are abondoned by the family, some families send them to Math, Ashrams at Mathura, Varanasi, Haridwar. Here they are sexually exploited and die in isolation.

The widows are also mentally tortured by not allowing them to attend any function, wedding, birth ceremony. They are also compelled to live the cursed life. They are not allowed to take water from the common village well. There life is made hell by their own family members. Such is the tragedy with these destitute women by no fault of theirs.

(13)- Dowry-A social curse is condemned by Sikh Gurus. It is never promoted as Guru ji called the dowry seekers as beggars.When the hand to beg is opened , the demand of may be one Rupee or Lacs of Rupees, that is one and the same thing-to get alms. So this social evil must be condemned by all like Sikh religion and their Gurus.

(14)- To worship planets is another propaganda by Brahmins. They scare the common man and fear them of the bad effects of Jupiter, Saturn etc. planets in their life. This way they get enough easy money for their livelihood.

How could these planets play a role in the life of a human person where the humans are already on a planet Earth? But people are so sacred by them that in this 21st century I see the Indian TV channels also keep on scaring the common people whole day as there is nothing more important for them to telecast.

Gurbani says; There are millions of Suns. Moons and these planets in Universe so if all starts effecting the lives of human beings, the humans shall never be able to stand strait on earth. How foolish scary thoughts are produced to fill their pockets?

While argumenting in the court, Even Bhai SUKHA JI, (Sukhdev Singh ji) gave a version of Gurbaani to Judge, of the independent identity of Sikhs as per Gurbaani Salok given below:---

Bharao Mahalla 5 !!
varat na rahao na mah ramdaana !! Tis sevi jo rakhey nidaana !! 1 !!
Eko gusaai allahu meraa !! Hindu Turak duhan naberaa !! 1 !! Rahao !!
Haj kaabe jaao na teerath pujaa !! Eko sevi awar na dujaa !! 2 !!
Pujaa karao na niwaaz gujaarao !! Ek Nirankaar le ridey namaskaarao !! 3 !!
Na hum Hindu na Musalmaan !! Allah Raam ko pind praan !! 4 !!
Kahu Kabir eh keeaa vakhaana !! Gur Peer mil khud khasam pachaana !! 5 !!

GURU GOBIND SINGH JI has also warned SIKHS to not to disobey him as He always stands beside them whenever and wherever He is needed. Sikhs are instructed that Guru sadaa ang-sang hai. Until Sikhs follow the RAHAT MARYADA. If they go other way/against his path, He will not care of them.

"JAB EH GAHEN BIPRAN KI REET !! MAIN NAA KARON INKI PARTEET !!
Bipran=Brahmins,or against.

He also warns,:-- "RAHAT PIAARI MOHE !! SIKH PIAARA NAHEN !!"

He prefers the Sikhs to follow Sikh traditions, Not his look-a-like of Sikhs. In appraising the almighty Waheguru,
He says,:--
INHI KI KIRPAA KE SAJE HAM HAIN !! NAHIN MOSE GARIB KAROR PARE !!

A vast majority of Hindus are the followers of SHIV or MAHADEV. In Gurbaani Sikhs are restricted to worship only Niraakar Brahm or omnipresent almighty WAHEGURU, Guru Gobind Singh Ji says,
"Mahadev ko kahat sadaa Shiv !! Nirankaar ka cheenat nahin Bhiv !!
(Chaupai, Patshahi 10 )

Means the people who call Mahadev as Sadaa Shiv or the almighty lord, are they not feared of God. Parampita Parmaatma is creator of all deities, durga, Shiv, Vishnu, Brahma, Raam,or Krishna all are his creations. They themselves are not Gods. God or Waheguru is master of all. He can only be truely worshipped by his true name. Sikh Gurus and Guru Granth Saahib Ji inspires the WORD OF GOD.

Sikhhu sabad piaario !! janam maran ki tek !!
Mukh ujjal sadd sukhi !! Naanak simrat ek !!

So wake up before you get late. Follow his preechings and obey him. Sikhs do not seek MOKSHA/FINAL REST but believe and hope to relax in GURU_CHARNI. He always seek the presence of GURU IN LIFE AND AFTER HIS LIFE. Get baptized with AMRIT to purify your soul and get rid of sins you earned, worship only one almighty God--WAHEGURU, the omnipresent.
FOLLOW THE TRUE PATH OF LIFE.

Now after this I can only say to the mischivious people of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, if they can take over these weeknesses of Hindu religion, they will automatically sworn in as Sikhs. Than they shall not need to do any propaganda of considering Sikhs -as a part of Hindu mainstream. Thanks to Late Prime Minister V. P. Singh, who has slapped so hard on Hindu religion by implementing Mandal Commission. Thus deviding Hindu community so widely, If they try another 1000 years, they won't be able to rebuild the faith in Dalits (Down troddens) and higher casts. Mrs. Indira Gandhi was asasinated by Sikhs, who afterwards proudly declaired that whatever they wanted to do , they have done now you do whatever you want to do. It was the true example of bravery. Look at you people, You grounded the Babri Mosque (Masjid) on 6th Dec.1992. Since than, none of you have come forward to take the responsibility in fear of life.

You people don't have that spirit in you. That's Why you Hindus are still far away from Building 'Ram Temple.' in Ayodhya. Go and learn from Guru Gobind Singh ji, Follow---Sikhism, Raam Mandir apne aap ban jaayega.

My sincere thanks to Prof. Sher Singh Giani M.A.L.L.B.(London) and Prof. Gurbachan Singh Talib, Patiala University and AKAL ACADEMY BARU SAHIB. The knowledge of english translation and explaination of related salokas of Gurbani in their books have encouraged me to write this article and to give a befitted reply to the evils of modern society.

Thanks to all.

Ajmer Singh Randhawa.


Newpost no. 2 : an answer to critics of Sikhism.


Harjas is lying here that she does not belong to RSS, please go through all her articles, comments. Everywhere she supports the ideology of the saffron terror organization. You may visit her website at http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=527&page=8 She never supported the Khalistani movement but joined Akhand kirtani Jatha as a traitor. She was sent to this Akhand Kirtani jatha to learn Sikhism and then to work for RSS to propagate that Sikhs are Hindus through the misinterpretation of Gurbani. She is paid for her services. RSS did play this trick before partition of India. Please see the blog : http://rssagainstsikhism.blogspot.com/ In which a true story is written. In the last couple of years RSS has recruited five thousand Hindus and converted them as fake Sikhs to learn Sikhism, Gurbani in the guise of Sikh and then work like Harjas kaur.

She always insists of Sanatan sikhi which claims discarded by the end of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. She is impressed of Sati Pratha in which a women is expected to burn alive in pyre with her dead husband as some queens of Maharaja also committed but Sikh Gurus preached against this and condemned the Hindu ritual as in Asa di war, Guru Nanak ji said—SO KION MANDA AAKHIE JIT JAMME RAJAN’ means why to curse the women who have given birth to Lords and kings.

ਮਃ ੧ ਭੰਡਿ ਜੰਮੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਨਿੰਮੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਮੰਗਣੁ ਵੀਆਹੁ ਭੰਡਹੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਭੰਡਹੁ ਚਲੈ ਰਾਹੁ ਭੰਡੁ ਮੁਆ ਭੰਡੁ ਭਾਲੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਬੰਧਾਨੁ ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਮੰਦਾ ਆਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਜੰਮਹਿ ਰਾਜਾਨ ਭੰਡਹੁ ਹੀ ਭੰਡੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਭੰਡੈ ਬਾਝੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ਨਾਨਕ ਭੰਡੈ ਬਾਹਰਾ ਏਕੋ ਸਚਾ ਸੋਇ ਜਿਤੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਾਲਾਹੀਐ ਭਾਗਾ ਰਤੀ ਚਾਰਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਊਜਲੇ ਤਿਤੁ ਸਚੈ ਦਰਬਾਰਿ

Means….

"We are conceived in woman. We are born to woman. It is to woman we get engaged, And then get married. Woman is our lifelong companion, And supporter of our survival. It is through woman That we establish social relationships. Why should we denounce her. When even kings and great men are born from her?" (Asa di war).

Is the hanuman not a monkey God ? Do the Hindus not worship the Ling (Prick) of their Lord Shiva? Please read full story of Shiv puran in the above said blog. If someone passed a remark to this fanatic who is always on to defame Sikhism and Sikh Gurus, when she hurts the feelings of true Sikhs to she has betrayed, why does it pinches her?

ਸੀਤਾ ਲੈ ਗਇਆ ਦਹਸਿਰੋ, ਲਛਮਣ ਮੂਉ ਸਰਾਪਿ ਨਾਨਕ, ਕਰਤਾ ਕਰਣਹਾਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਥਾਪਿ ਉਥਾਪਿ੨੫ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਝੂਰੈ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ, ਸੀਤਾ ਲਛਮਣ ਜੋਗੁਹਣਵੰਤਰ ਆਰਾਧਿਆ, ਆਇਆ ਕਰਿ ਸੰਜੋਗੁ ਭੂਲਾ ਦੈਤ ਨ ਸਮਝਈ, ਤਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀਏ ਕਾਮਨਾਨਕ ਵੇਪਰਵਾਹੁ ਸੋ, ਕਿਰਤ ਨ ਮਿਟਈ ਰਾਮ੨੬੧੪੧੨!!

Raam Chand, sad at heart, assembled his army and forces. The army of monkeys was at his service; his mind and body became eager for war. Raawan captured his wife Sita, and Lachhman was cursed to die. O Nanak, the Creator Lord is the Doer of all; He watches over all, and destroys what He has created. ||25|| In his mind, Raam Chand mourned for Sita and Lachhman. Then, he remembered Hanuman the monkey-god, who came to him. The misguided demon did not understand that God is the Doer of deeds. O Nanak, the actions of the Self-existent Lord cannot be erased. ||26||

ਗੁਰੂ ਪਾਰਸ ਹਮ ਲੋਹ ਮਿਲਿ ਕੰਚਨ ਹੁਆ ਰਾਮ !! The enlightener is like a touchstone and I am the metal iron, means the Guru (enlightener is the ocean of knowledge but I myself is like a drop but by the grace of Akal purakh (the Rama), I am also enlightened now.

The Gurbani clearly reveals the difference in Rama of Guru Nanak and the Ram son of Dasrath. Ram s/o dasrath faced all the difficulties in life but the Rama of Guru Nanak is the savior. This Rama was present at the beginning, is omni present and shall always be in whole universe. This Ram is worshipped by several names like Niranjan, Gopal, Gobind, Murari, Hari, Madhusudan etc because these names were generally used by devotees during that time so these names also applied.

ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾਪੰਨਾ 1083 !! Guru ji approves here that the omnipresent-his Lord Akal Purakh is described by countless names but thy name is always true.

Don’t get confused here also in the names related with Krishna. Gurus directly rejects the Krishna of Brindaban. It does not give any authenticity to him. Guru ji says the Lord / Akal Purakh has created millions of insects like Krishna and Ram and only he himself is supreme.’ਕਿਤੇ ਕਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਏ, ਉਸਾਰੇ ਗੜੇ ਫਿਰ ਮੇਟੇ ਬਨਾਏ ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ

In the Salokas of Kabir, Guru ji says that the lord never takes births, he is fearless and that the en-lightner of Kabir ji has no mother or father and who is called as Narayan by him. , as : ਸੰਕਟਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਰੈ ਜੋਨਿ ਨਹੀ ਆਵੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਜਾ ਕੋ ਰੇ ਕਬੀਰ ਕੋ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਐਸੋ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਮਾਈ ਨ ਬਾਪੋ ਰੇ ੧੯੭੦॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 338-339} Your Ram and Krishna could not be their lords or parmatma as they were born, had their parents, children and then died. Gurbani clearly defines this in it’s basic concept in Mool mantar and several

other places as ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਤੇ ਰਹਤ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ !!’ means that Lord Parmatma/ Akal purakh is beyond births and death. Guru ji further says as, ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥’ means-- Those mouths should burn with fire of hell who calls that Lord or Parmatma/ AkalPurakh is/was born. Ang 1136 SGGS. Even then if some ignorants like harjas kaur mis-interpreet Gurbani and preaches the ignorants by confusing of names of Lord applied by gurus in SGGS-it can be called her ignorance only.

She (Harjas ) introduces herself as a good scholar of sikh religion and speaks against the learned schlars like Panth rattan (Highest Sikh award) giaani Sant Singh ji Maskeen and Bhai Kahan Singh Ji Nabha in her writings. Every Sikh performs Rahiraas sahib—the evening reciting of Gurbani. In the Chaupai sahib, 10th Guru ji says, ’Kishan Bishan kabhu nahi dhiaaoon !! Kaan sune pahichan na tin so ! Live laagi mori pag inso !!’ Means Guru ji says that ‘ I do not worship Krishan or Vishanu though I have heard their names but do not recognize them and his contemplation is in the lotus feet of the Akal purakh—his lord.

In Akal Ustat– (the praise of Lord) and Jaap sahib, Guru ji has prased the Akal Purakh—the omni present in his Nirguna form but she wants ths Sikhism in Sarguna form. Sikhs follow the commands of their Guru only not the insects like Harjas kaur-the mouth piece of anti Sikh elements like RSS. The whole baani of Jaap sahib is the appraisal of omnipresent Akal Purakh only and full of devotion with martialness. In it’s very first stanza she forgets that, ‘Kot indra indraan saaho sahan ganize !!’ Means, ‘ there are thousands of Indra and other deities and the kings of kings worship the omnipresent almighty.

She has only the parrot uttering of his false propaganda only. She believes in Sargu-Sakaar Brahm so have faith in idol worship.

No recognition was ever given to this Sanatan sikhi. The Gurudwaras were under control of some Udasis who started their malpractices and employed goons. In Nankana Sahib Pakistan 21 Sikhs were killed when they went to free the Gurdwara from Mahant Narain Das and she wants the control back in the hands of these traitors so that they may place the idols of Hindu gods which are forbidden in Sikh religion. This she calls the Sanatan Sikhi and is glad with.

There is only one Sikhi—the main Sikh stream which was started by the it’s founder and first guru—Guru Nanak Dev ji. He himself opposed the worship of Brahminical rituals :

1)- ਦਇਆ ਕਪਾਹ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਸੂਤੁ ਜਤੁ ਗੰਢੀ ਸਤੁ ਵਟੁ ਏਹੁ ਜਨੇਊ ਜੀਅ ਕਾ ਹਈ ਤ ਪਾਡੇ ਘਤੁ ਨਾ ਏਹੁ ਤੁਟੈ ਨ ਮਲੁ ਲਗੈ ਨਾ ਏਹੁ ਜਲੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਧੰਨੁ ਸੁ ਮਾਣਸ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਜੋ ਗਲਿ ਚਲੇ ਪਾਇ !!

2)- ਕਬੀਰ ਪਾਹਨੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰੁ ਕੀਆ ਪੂਜੈ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਦੇਖਾ ਦੇਖੀ ਸ੍ਵਾਂਗੁ ਧਰਿ ਭੂਲੇ ਭਟਕਾ ਖਾਹਿ ang 1371 !!

Kabeer, someone sets up a stone idol and all the world worships it as the Lord.


He never preached to worship idols. His son Baba Sri Chand ji was disowned by Guru Nanak as he was indulged in anti Sikh activities. His sect is known as Udasi Samprda which is not recognized as Sikhs.

ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਮੁਹੁ ਫੇਰੇ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਨ ਚਿਤਿ ਧਰੈ ਕਰਿ ਆਚਾਰ ਬਹੁ ਸੰਪਉ ਸੰਚੈ ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰੈ ਸੁ ਨਰਕਿ ਪਰੈ

The 10th Guru Gobind Singh ji abided his Sikhs to refrain from Brahminical rituals and created Khalsa which wear the mandatory holy signs of Five Kakaars. These signs are wore by his true followers who got the Amrit of Khande di Pahul.

1)- ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਉਬਾਰ ਨ ਸਕਹੈ ਜਾਕਰ ਨਾਮ ਰਟੈ ਹੈਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਸੂਰਹ ਸਸਿ ਤੇ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਲ ਸਭੈ ਹੈ !! (ਸ. ਹਜਾਰੇ)

2)- ਜਬ ਲਗ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਰਹੇ ਨਿਆਰਾਤਬ ਲਗ ਤੇਜ ਦੀਓ ਮੈਂ ਸਾਰਾਜਬ ਇਹ ਗਹੈ ਬਿਪਰਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਮੈਂ ਨ ਕਰੋਂ ਇਨ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤ

Those scholars and learned people of the time were fools who stood up against this malpractice and formed the Chief Khalsa diwan and Singh Sabha to implement the Sikh code of Conduct which gives a distinct identity to Sikhs and she is against it. Why do the people forget :

ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਸਾਚੀ ਸਾਚਾ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥(Raag Dhanaasree M. 3, GGS. 666).

Guru Gobind Singh ji has ordered his Sikh in his 52 Orders or Hukam that :

http://52orders.blogspot.com/

6)- Gurbani dae arth Sikh vidhvana tuo parrhnae - Learn the meanings of Gurbani from Sikh Scholars.

9)- Sat-Saroop Satgur da dhian dharna - Concentrate on the True Guru (God).

10)- Guru Granth Sahib Ji noo Guru mananaa - Accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji as Guru.

31)- Doosrae mataa dae pustak, vidyaa parhni. Pur bhrosaa drirh Gurbani, Akal Purakh tae karnaa - Study the books and knowledge of other faiths. But keep trust in Gurbani and Akal Purukh.

39)- Subh kaaraj Gurbani anusaar karnae - Do all work in accordance with Gurbani.

46)- Dikhaawae da Sikh nahi bananaa - Do not become an outward show-off Sikh.

49)- Sikh da itbaar karna - Believe a Sikh.

How could the Budhists raise a voice when Hindus have submerged their religion into Hinduism and Sikhs are cautioned by the attack and the Sikh genocide. The govt of India, the Congress and Hindus of this nation have lost their trust. Who the bloody hell shall trust the back stabbers? Why we do not have a Khalsa raj because when India got freedom, the leaders of Congress, the so called father of nation promised Sikhs to enjoy freedom in their own state and assured there shall never be any betrayal with Sikhs. This statement was given in Gurdwara Sisganj Sahib, Delhi by Gandhi, and when Sikhs asked Nehru and reminded him of their promises, the conman replied that the time is changed and he could not fulfill his commitments? Read

http://randhawacalling.blogspot.com/ &

http://indiansikhs.blogspot.com/ (In Punjabi).

Jinnah offered Baldev Singh ji in England That he is ready to give the offer of 60-40 in whole of Pakistan to Sikhs in parliament and all jobs and in all sectors. Baldev singh told this to Nehru and what Nehru did-early morning he flew back to India with Baldev singh. He did not leave Baldev singh in London as he knew, he could sign the pact. The Sikhs could not trust the Muslim due to the martyrdom of their Gurus and sacrifices of thousands of Sikhs. They trusted the Hindus for their trust of centuries but congress immediately shown its true color just within two months of independence. It issued a circular to all DC’s in Punjab that the Sikhs are criminal caste and be dealt accordingly. This was the first betrayal with those Sikhs who were made refugee in their own country, those who were the land lords were made laborers. And now this traitor teaches us a lesson of equality?

So what if it is a buffer state? The Punjab which was called the Manchester for textiles and a prosper state has been converted into a beggar state by the discriminative policies of this Congress and Hindu govt called the center. Now Punjab is on 17th number in prosper states of India out of 28 states. Thus Punjab is ruined by Hindu govt. Now Punjab has a loan of 70,000 Krores of Rupees where as per capita income is still higher but what can one do of discrimination?

When India got independence, the govt of India adopted the federal system but now due to the maladministration by Congress, it has lost this system but have become the master of India. Is their any

other example of suppression could be seen any where in the world? Is it not the jeopardize with its own citizens?

The activists of saffron terror-the RSS burning alive a Sikh youth in 1984 and dancing afterwards in joy.

The khalistani or separatist movement is weaken but not died. Sikhs can never forget the jeopardize and brutal killing of their innocent brothers and their women raped. Harjas may not face such humiliation in life so she is not aware of this agony. She is even not married, may be divorced but is a single and became a Miss again. The govt planned to eliminate Sikhs and identified the Sikh residences, Sikh institutions and business establishment. Indira was a shrwed politician. She planned to air attack on border town of India and Pakistan on 8-10th Nov 1984, and to blame Sikhs have joined hands with Pakistan and that Pakistani aircrafts bombarded the towns of Sikh majority. Beant Singh somehow came to know this plan of disaster, he immediately decided to kill Indira and he and Satwant Singh killed her a week earlier of her disastrous plan.

If you do not agree with me, please tell me how the lists of Sikhs voter lists, institutions and business establishment were prepared over night and distributed on 1st Nov. whereas there were not the computers in 1984? http://violatingfaith.blogspot.com/

We Sikhs have the capability to turn the barren land into a fertilized land. We know how to prosper the state of our own and how to invite the NRI’s to invest in Punjab.

Where was the Hindustan? Who ruled Hindustan and who occupied it or freed it? There were nearly 500 states which formed India and signed their merger after independence. The govt promised the rulers to compensate them but Indira betrayed with them also. She stopped their privy purses and all doors to their earning sources were closed.

The bundle of lies are proved by her statement as she writes that Maharaja wanted to donate the Kohinoor diamond to Jagannath Puri ? Maharaja always offered every precious item he received to Golden temple only as he had a firm believe in the lotus feet of Guru Ramdass. He offered the Gold Chandni offerd by Nizam Hyderabad, the chaur of sandalwood and many more precious items. Could this learned scholar-the traitor of Sikhsim, can produce any such document to prove her claim? I would love to be enlightened on it.

ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਪੂਜਤ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਉ ਕਛੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਮੈ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਨਾਹੀ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਪੂਜ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਜਿਹ ਪੂਜਤ ਹੀ ਅਘ ਓਘ ਮਿਟਾਹੀ

The future never dies. Die only the cowards. We have a dream of our own state, may be after my death but Sikh nation shall get its own raj/kingdom someday. She suggests : No one can glorify violence against the innocent and be a spiritual person Why does she not preach this to the top brass of saffron terror wings of RSS ?

The killing of innocents is

condemned in sri Guru Granth sahib ji so how could the true Sikhs go against the order of their Guru? It syas as : Nirwaire naal vair rachaavae Har dargah oh haarae !! Means who has enmity with the innocents, shall face defeat in every place of Lord. She alleges only of her bias thinking and to defame whereas whole world knows of Hindu fanatic organizations of India. Sikhs are ordered to protect the poors from tyrants and she blames of killing the innocents?

Harjas writes ;

Modern Sikhism tolerates no idols, no arti. Yet, it cannot be denied that historically idols were kept and arti performed in Gurdwara. So the question becomes, what was the original practice? The Tat Khalsa say Sikhi was Hinduized to weaken it from a purataan original form. The sanatan Sikhs say Sikhi has always been like this with traceable historical references, and the British influenced Tat Khalsa tried to establish an independant identity rejecting anything in practice, interpretation or belief which had any sanatan connotations, and even going to extreme of either ignoring certain pauris or deliberately mis-defining Hinduism to exaggerate differences.

Harjas again misguides here. She writes that the idols were kept in Golden temple, yes but I too ask her why? Why were they kept there? Was not it against the original practice of Sikhism? Guru Arjan dev ji himself enlightened the first Parkash of Guru Granth sahib ji in Harmandar Sahib but Guru ji or Baba Budha ji who was given the charge of Head Granthi or care taker never kept there any idols. The idolatry/ it’s worship is forbidden in Sikh religion so how could Guru ji or his followers allow this malpractice ?

Guru Gobind Singh also wrote to Aurangzeb in Zafarnama that he (Guru ji) does not have any faith in worship of idols but he is idol destroyer.

ਮਨਮ ਕੁਸ਼ਤਾ-ਅਮ ਕੋਹੀਆਂ ਬੁੱਤਪ੍ਰਸਤ ਕਿ ਆਂ ਬੁੱਤ-ਪ੍ਰਸਤੰਦੋ, ਮਨ ਬੁਤ-ਸ਼ਿਕਸਤ

(ਮੈਂ ਬੁੱਤ-ਪੂਜ ਪਹਾੜੀਆਂ ਦਾ ਨਾਸ਼ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ ਹਾਂ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਉਹ ਬੁੱਤ-ਪ੍ਰਸਤ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਮੈਂ ਬੁੱਤ ਤੋੜਨ ਵਾਲਾ)

So anyone placed the idols there in Gurdwara was with malintention and to project the Sikhism as a sect of Hinduism. Therefore these statues were removed. The Tatt khalsa had such a belief in presence of Akal Purakh that when Bandai Khalsa tried to declare Baba Banda Singh as guru, both the parties agreed to pray in Darbar sahib and the names of both parties as Tatt Khalsa and Bandai khalsa were written on two slips. After the pray to the eternal Guru Granth Sahib ji ji, both the slips were thrown into trhe sacred pool with the desire in pray (Ardas) that only that group of Khalsa shall be declared of its existence whose slip shall flow on water.

The miracle happened and slip of Bandai Khalsa was drowned and the slip of Tatt khalsa (True Khalsa) floated.

ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਸੋ ਸਾਚੈ ਮਾਰਿ ਪਚਾਇਆ ਰਾਗ ਗਉੜੀ ਪੰਨਾ 306 !!

One who slanders the Perfect True Guru is punished and destroyed by the True Lord.

ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਮਾਰ ਦਿਵਾਵੈ ਰਾਗ ਗਉੜੀ ਪੰਨਾ 303 !!

But one who slanders the Perfect True Guru, shall be killed and destroyed by the Creator.

So the decision of removing the idols was a correct and timely taken decision but by the way why does it spark her ass that she wants the idols be placed in Gurudwaras? Does not she projects as the mouth piece of RSS?

"ਸਲੋਕ ਮ: 4 ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਸੁ ਅਉਖਾ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇਆ ਨਰਕ ਘੋਰੁ ਦੁਖ ਖੂਹੁ ਹੈ ਓਥੈ ਪਕੜਿ ਓਹੁ ਢੋਇਆ ਕੂਕ ਪੁਕਾਰ ਕੋ ਨ ਸੁਣੇ ਓਹੁ ਅਉਖਾ ਹੋਇ ਹੋਇ ਰੋਇਆ ਓਨਿ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਸਭੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ਲਾਹਾ ਮੂਲੁ ਸਭੁ ਖੋਇਆ ਓਹੁ ਤੇਲੀ ਸੰਦਾ ਬਲਦੁ ਕਰਿ ਨਿਤ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਜੋਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਸੁਣੈ ਨਿਤ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਤਿਦੂ ਕਿਛੁ ਗੁਝਾ ਨ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੈਸਾ ਬੀਜੇ ਸੋ ਲੁਣੈ ਜੇਹਾ ਪੁਰਬਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਬੋਇਆ ang 306 !!

Whether Sikhs are Hindus or not. It was also decided in Nabha. The learned Sikh scholar Bhai Kahan singh ji of Nabha, wrote a book as “Ham Hindu nahin’. In 1898, when S. Kahan Singh ji of Nabha wrote the book,"HAM HINDU NAHIN" to answer the Hindu miscreants, he refers Sir Lepel Griffin,"The Sikhs had abandoned the Hindu faith, and with it the system of law which is the basis of that faith and which was inseperable from it. For a hundred and fifty years they had been governed, as far as chiefships were concerned, by another code altogether, and it was as reasonable for them to refer to Manu and the Shastra as the source of legal authority, as it would have been for Muhammadans, who had embraced Sikhism to appeal to the Sharia.

(The Rajas of the Punjab P.338)

ਜਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹੁਇ ਬਿਸਨ ਆਏ ਤਿਤਿਓ ਕਾਲ ਖਾਪਿਓ ਨ ਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਘਾਏ ੨੮ ਕਾਹੇ ਕੋ ਏਸ਼ ਮਹੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਭਾਖਤ ਕਾਹਿ ਦਿਜੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ਹੈ ਨ ਰਘ੍ਵੇਸ਼ ਜਦ੍ਵੇਸ਼ ਰਮਾਪਤਿ ਤੈ ਜਿਨ ਕੌ ਬਿਸ੍ਵਨਾਥ ਪਛਾਨਯੋ ਏਕ ਕੋ ਛਾਡਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਭਜੈ ਸੁਕਦੇਵ ਪਰਾਸਰ ਬਯਾਸ ਝੁਠਾਨਯੋ

ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਸਜੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਕੌ ਬਿਧ ਨੈਕ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ਜੌ ਕਹੌ ਰਾਮ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਅਜੈ, ਅਤਿ ਕਾਹੇ ਕੌ ਕੌਸ਼ਲ ਕੁੱਖ ਜਯੋ ਜੂ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕਾਲ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹਿ ਕੌ, ਕਿਹਿ ਕਾਰਣ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਦੀਨ ਭਯੋ ਜੂ ਸੱਤ ਸਰੂਪ ਬਿਬੈਰ ਕਹਾਇ, ਸੁ ਕਯੋਂ ਪਥ ਕੌ ਰਥ ਹਾਂਕ ਧਯੋ ਜੂ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਮਾਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ, ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਕੋਊ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਲੇ, ਨ ਲਯੋ ਜੂ

ਸੂਰਜਵੰਸ਼ੀ ਰਾਮ ਦੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਅਰਚਨਾ ਦਾ ਸਾਡੇ ਧਰਮ ਨਾਲ ਕੋਈ ਸੰਬੰਧ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿਉਂ ਕਿ ਅਸੀਂ ਕੁਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਬਲਕਿ ਸਿਖੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਯਕੀਨ ਰੱਖਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਕਿਉਂ ਕਿ ਰਾਮ ਦੇ ਵਡੇਰੇ ਰਘੂ ਦਾ ਵਡੇਰਾ ਦੇਵ ਰਾਜ ਸੂਰਜ ਵੀ ਇਖਲਾਕਹੀਣ ਵਿਆਕਤੀ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਵਿੱਚ ਚਿਤਰਿਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੈਕਿ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਵੀ ਕਈ ਅਬਲਾਵਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਬਲਾਤਕਾਰ ਕੀਤਾਹਿੰਦੂਤਵੀ ਇਤਿਹਾਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਇਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਈ ਉਦਹਾਰਨਾਂ ਮੌਜੂਦ ਹਨਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਫਕੀਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਤੇ ਅੱਲਾਹ ਆਦਿਕ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਵੀ ਦਰਜ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਕਾਲੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦਰਜ ਹੈ, ਇਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਕੋਈ ਕਿੱਸੇ ਕਹਾਣੀਆ ਜਾਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਦੀ ਇਸ਼ਕ-ਮਿਜ਼ਾਜੀ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਜ਼ਿਕਰ ਨਹੀਂਇਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਮਨੁੱਖਤਾ ਦੀਆਂ ਉਚ-ਮਿਆਰੀ ਨੈਚਿਕ ਕਦਰਾਂ ਕੀਮਤਾਂ ਦਾ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਭੇਦਭਾਵ ਦੇ ਜ਼ਿਕਰ ਹੈ ਕਿਸੇ ਨਾਲ ਵੀ ਕੋਈ ਵਿਤਕਰਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤਾ http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=155272831162082

ਈਹਾ ਊਹਾ ਏਕੈ ਓਹੀ ਜਤ ਕਤ ਦੇਖੀਐ ਤਤ ਤਤ ਤੋਹੀ

ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਏ ਅਵਤਾਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਬੌਧਿਕ ਨਾਵਾਂ ਬਾਰੇ ਗੱਲ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਭਾਈ ਕਾਹਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਭਾਂ ਦੀ ਪੁਸਤਕ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਰੂਰ ਪੜ ਲੈਣੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਹੈਪਰ ਫਿਰ ਵੀ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਇਕ ਛੋਟੀ ਜਿਹੀ ਉਦਹਾਰਨ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ ਸਪੱਸ਼ਟ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਰੂਪੀ ਰਮੇ ਹੋਏ ਰਾਮ ਦੇ ਬਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਹਾਂਰਾਜ ਜੀ ਫਰਮਾਉਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਵੀ ਇਹ ਰਾਮ ਵੱਸ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਨਾ ਮਰਦਾ ਹੈ,ਨਾਂ ਡਰਦਾ ਹੈ,ਨਾਂ ਰੋਂਦਾ ਹੈਅਤੇ ਨਾਂ ਹੀ ਉਹ ਠੱਗਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ

ਨਾ ਉਹ ਮਰੇ ਨਾ ਠਾਗੇ ਜਾਇ ਜਿਨ ਕੈ ਰਾਮ ਵਸੈ ਮਨਿ ਮਾਹਿ

ਪਰ ਦਸ਼ਰਥ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਰਾਮ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਆਮ ਮਨੱਖਾਂ ਵਾਂਗ ਹੀ ਚਲਾ ਗਿਆ,

ਰਾਮ ਗਇਓ ਰਾਵਣ ਗਇਓ

ਦਸ਼ਰਥ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਰਾਮ ਤਾਂ ਸੀਤਾ ਦੇ ਵਿਯੋਗ ਵਿੱਚ ਰੋਂਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ,

ਰੋਵੇ ਰਾਮ ਨਿਕਾਲਾ ਭਇਆ ਸੀਤਾ ਲਸਮਣ ਵਿਛੁੜ ਗਇਆ

ਦਸ਼ਰਥ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਰਾਮ ਤਾਂ ਰਾਵਣ ਕੋਲੋਂ ਹੀ ਠੱਗਿਆ ਗਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਘਰਵਾਲੀ ਸੀਤਾ ਇਕ ਲੜਾਈ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੀ ਗਵਾ ਬੈਠਾ,

ਰਾਵਣ ਸੇਤੀ ਘਰਬਰ ਹੋਈ ਘਰ ਕੀ ਜੋਇ ਗਵਾਈ ਥੀ

ਟੇਕ ਏਕੁ ਰਘੁਨਾਥ

ਜਿਸ ਰਘੁਨਾਥ ਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਵੀਰ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਜਾਣ ਕੇ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਨੇ ਟੇਕ ਕੀ ਲੈਣੀ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਤਾਂ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਵਿਚਾਰਾ ਪਤਨੀ ਅਤੇ ਭਰਾ ਦੇ ਵਿਯੋਗ ਵਿੱਚ ਰੋਂਦਾ ਫਿਰਦਾ ਰਿਹਾਗੁਰੂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਦੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਕਦੀਂ ਵੀ ਐਸੇ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਜਾਂ ਪੀਰ ਦੀ ਟੇਕ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੈ ਸਕਦੇ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਖੁਦ ਆਪਣੇ ਅਸੂਲਾਂ ਤੇ ਇਖਲਾਕ ਵਿੱਚ ਪ੍ਰਪੱਕ ਨਾ ਹੋਵੇਕਿਉਂ ਕਿ ਰਿਸ਼ੀ ਬਾਲਮੀਕ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਰਮਾਇਣ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਰਾਮ ਸੀਤਾ ਉਪਰ ਕਈ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਦੇ ਜੁਲਮ ਕਰਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਕਈ ਵਾਰ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਮਹਿਫਿਲਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਨੱਚਣ ਲਈ ਵੀ ਮਜ਼ਬੂਰ ਕਰਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਪਰ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਦਾ ਅਟੱਲ ਸਿਧਾਂਤ ਹੇ ;

ਪਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਰੂਪ ਨਾ ਪੇਖੈ ਨੇਤ੍ਰ

ਸੋ ਦਸ਼ਰਥ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਰਾਮ ਤਾਂ ਅਕਾਲ ਬੋਧਿਕ ਰਾਮ ਦੇ ਦੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਗੁਣ ਉਪਰ ਵੀ ਪੂਰਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਉਤਰਦਾ,ਪਰ ਪਤਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿਉਂ ਇਹ ਸੰਘ ਪੱਖੀ ਵੀਰ ਇਕ ਰਾਜੇ ਦੇ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਜਾਣ ਜੇ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰੀ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਨਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਏ ਰਘੁਨਾਥ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਦਾ ਸੰਬੰਧ ਵੀ ਸਿਖ ਧਰਮ ਦੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਬੋਧਿਕ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ ਕਿਉਂ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਤਾਂ ਬਿਪਤਾ ਸਮੇਂ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰ੍ਰਖ ਦੀ ਟੇਕ ਲੈਣ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਕੀਤੀ ਗਈ ਹੈ ਨਾ ਕਿ ਦਸ਼ਰਥ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਰਾਮ ਦੀ,ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਦਰਜ਼ ਹੈ,

1)- ਰਤੇ ਇਸਕ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਰੰਗਿ ਦੀਦਾਰ ਕੇ ਵਿਸਰਿਆ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇ ਭੁਇ ਭਾਰੁ ਥੀਏ ੧ ਰਹਾਉ

2)- ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨੇ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਯੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਹੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਨੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸਾਰ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਹੀ ਕਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨਯੋ !!

3)- ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ

4)- ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ

I too have written a blog as http://wesikhsnothindus.blogspot.com/ If she is ignorant. She can read it there. The divisional commissioner himself declared the distinct identity of Sikhs and after hundred years again the Punjab and Haryana High Court has established this distinct identity in their verdict of 2009. Please see the brief report in

http://zeetvagainstsikhs.blogspot.com/

OK, but factor these contemporary observations into your schema of things:


This early quote is from a Persian manuscript written during Guru Hargobind's time. The author spent some time

with Sikhs and knew the Guru. His writings imply a distinct difference to Hinduism. It also seems to answer your question about the position of Aarti and idol worship in original Sikh worship.

To be brief Nanak's followers scorn images. Their belief is that all the Guru's are Nanak as stated previously. They do not recite the mantras of the Hindus and do not pay respect to their idol temples. They do not count the avtaars for anything. They do not have attachment to Sanskrit, which the Hindus call the language of angels.


Dabistan i Mazahib by Mobad (1645-46) . Translated by Irfan Habib

Although from the lower castes of Hindus, countless people like ants and locusts gathered around him (Banda Singh Bahadhur) and lost no time in getting killed or coming into battle for his sake, yet they did not harm such Hindus of high status as Khatris, who were colluding in the designs and plans of that rebel or Jats famous for their bravery, who were supporting and joining the army of that doomed one. All remaining Hindus, along with the Muslims they regarded as deserving to be killed.

Muntakhabu 'l Lubab by Khafi Khan (1716). Translated by Majida Bano.

This observation is from an Afghan opponent of Sikhs who came to Panjab with Abdali Shah. This observation is explicit in its categorisation of Sikhs as distinct from Hindus.

Quote:

If you are not conversant with their religion I shall tell your honour that the Sikhs are disciples of a Guru, and that fortunate guide had lived at Chak [this is an old name for what we know call Harmandir Sahib]. The ways and practices of these people are derived from Nanak who showed to the Sikhs a separate path. His last successor was Gobind Singh, from whom they received the title Singh. They are not from amongst the Hindus. These miscreants have a distinct religion of their own

Jang nama by Noor Mohhamad (1764-1765). Translated by Iqtidar Alam Khan.

If anything, lately I have had the desire to study Hinduism in more depth. My previous attempts were flawed because I couldn't find a coherent system in all of what I studied. I now have a better understanding and am better prepared to understand it.


I don't agree with Sanatanised interpretations myself. Again I point at the success Sikhs had against Moghuls compared to the Anglo-Sikh wars. That some protestant thinking may have influenced Singh Sabha thinkers is conceded. I am not trying to hide this. Also I'm a bit confused about your comments on glorifying violence. I don't believe I have done this and I openly condemn those who call themselves Sikhs and commit atrocities on innocents, be this for Khalistan or anything else
. But you forget Harjas, Guru ji reminds us, “

"ਸੋ ਜੀਵਿਆ ਜਿਸੁ ਮਨਿ ਵਸਿਆ ਸੋਇ ਨਾਨਕ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜੀਵੈ ਕੋਇ ਜੇ ਜੀਵੈ ਪਤਿ ਲਥੀ ਜਾਇ ਸਭੁ ਹਰਾਮੁ ਜੇਤਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਖਾਇ ang 14 !!

They alone are truly alive, whose minds are filled with the Lord. O Nanak, no one else is truly alive; those who merely live shall depart in dishonor; everything they eat is impure.

Harjas and honest ? She joined Akhand kirtani jatha to learn the Sikhism and than to defame or attack on sift targets. She is quoting someone vandna srivastava, may be from any NGO but she forgets the community kitchen only in Darbar sahib is feeding the poors and visitors fro the last 450 years. She is also forgetting that rhese were the Sikhs who rescued the 22,000 Martha and Hiindu women from the clutches of Abdali and safely sent them to their homes. Those who were discarded and not accepted by their families got married with Sikh youths but a good life they lived with honor and dignity but what your Hindus did in 1984, they raped the Sikh women after killing their husbands or brothers. Only the rascals can rape a helpless women mourning her family members and you the Hindus have passion? Shame on you.

Guru Arjan Dev ji also opposed the sarguna sarup of lord. In sukhmani sahib, guru ji says in 22nd Ashtpadi as, Sargun Nirgun Narnkar Sunn Samadhi aap !! AApan kiaa Nanakaa aape hi fir jaapu !!” The whole ashtpadi denies this sargun sarup. Sikhs are follower of nirgun or Nirakar Akal Purakh who is omnipresent. The sargun sarup has been opposed several places in sri guru granth Sahib ji and she calls herself a scholar of Sikhsim-No she is here to misguide only. Please go through the blog again http://wesikhsnothindus.blogspot.com/

[We do not accept the authority of. The Vedas, neither that of Simritis and Puranas. We worship neither Bhairva, nor Ganesha. We recognize neither Tithis nor Omens, nor days. Neither Rahu, Ketu, Shani, Shukar, Sun nor Moon. We do not believe a bit in Sandhya, Sutak, Caste, Varna, Jantar, Mantar, Fasting, Homa or Shradh. Disciples of the Tenth Master, Khalsa Panth is distinct. Really ignorant is he who calls Khalsa as Hindu.]

The base of Sikh religion is not from Vedas. The concept of 'Vedas truthfulness' and supremacy is not accepted in Sikh religion.

1)- ਨਾਨਕ ਸੋਧੇ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਬੇਦ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦ ੧੧੨੪Raag Bhairo M. 5, GGS. 1142 !!

Nanak has studied the Simritees and the Vedas. There is no difference between the Supreme Lord God and the Guru.

2)- ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਕਥੇ ਸੁਣੇ ਹਾਰੇ ਮੁਨੀ ਅਨੇਕਾ ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਹੁ ਘਣਾ ਭ੍ਰਮਿ ਥਾਕੇ ਭੇਖਾ Ang 1008 !!

Reciting and listening to the Vedas and the Puraanas, countless wise men have grown weary. So many in their various religious robes have grown weary, wandering to the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage.

3)- Neech Jaat Har japtiyan Uttam padwi paaye !! Puchahu Bidar Daasi sutey Kisan utriyaa ghar jis jaaye !! (Suhi Mahalla 4, Page 733 )-

When someone of low social class chants the Lord`s Name, he obtains the state of highest dignity. Go and ask Bidar, the son of a maid; Krishna himself stayed in his house.

4)- Baran Jaat kou puchey naahin Baachahe charan beechaaro !!

No one asks about their ancestry and social status; instead, they yearn for the dust of their feet.

(Gujari Mahalla 5,Page 498 )..

5)— Dujaa kaahe simariye jammey te mar jaaye, Eko simrao naanka, Jal thal raheyaa samaaye !!

6)- Jo paathar kao kahte Dev !! Taa ki birthaa hove Sev !! Naa paathar bole Naa kichu dey!!Fokat karam nihfal hai sev !! 2 !!(Bhairao Mahalla 5, Page 1160 !!

Those who call a stone their god - their service is useless. Those who fall at the feet of a stone god - their work is wasted in vain.

7)- Ghar mahe Thaakur nadar naa aavey !! Gal mahe paahan lai latkaavey !! 1 !! (Suhi Mahalla 5, Page 738).

Within the home of his own self, he does not even come to see his Lord and Master. And yet, around his neck, he hangs a stone god.

8)- Hindu mule bhule akhuti jaahi !! Naarad kaheyaa se pooj karaahi !!

9)- Andhe gunge andh andhaar !! Paathar le pujhe mugadh gawaar !! Ohe jaa aap dube tum kahaa taranhaar !!

(Bihagre ki waar mahalla 4, Page).

10)- Jah jah dekhan tah tah soi !! Prabhaati mahalla 1, Page 1343 !!

Wherever I look, I see Him.

11)- Kaahe ko pujat paahan ko Kachu paahan main parmesar naahin !! 33 Savaiye Paatshahi 10 !!

12)- Pooja varat upaarne var saraap siv sakat lavere !! Saadh sangat Gur sabad vin thaun naa paeyan bhale bhalere !! 7!! (Bhai Gurdaas, waar 5)

13)- "ਕਿਤੇ ਕਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਏ, ਉਸਾਰੇ ਗੜੇ ਫਿਰ ਮੇਟੇ ਬਨਾਏ

14)- ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ

15)- ਕਬੀਰ ਪਾਹਨੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰੁ ਕੀਆ ਪੂਜੈ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਦੇਖਾ ਦੇਖੀ ਸ੍ਵਾਂਗੁ ਧਰਿ ਭੂਲੇ ਭਟਕਾ ਖਾਹਿ ang 1371 !!

16)- ਮੈਲੇ ਸਿਵ ਸੰਕਰਾ ਮਹੇਸ ਮੈਲੇ ਸਿਧ ਸਾਧਿਕ ਅਰੁ ਭੇਖ ang 1158 !!

A)- Shiva, Shankara and Mahaysh are polluted.

The Siddhas, seekers and strivers, and those who wear religious robes, are polluted.

ਮੈਲਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਮੈਲਾ ਇੰਦ !! ਰਵਿ ਮੈਲਾ ਮੈਲਾ ਹੈ ਚੰਦ !!

Brahma is polluted, and Indra is polluted.

||1|| The sun is polluted, and the moon is polluted.

17)- ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਕਥੇ ਸੁਣੇ ਹਾਰੇ ਮੁਨੀ ਅਨੇਕਾ ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਹੁ ਘਣਾ ਭ੍ਰਮਿ ਥਾਕੇ ਭੇਖਾ Ang 1008 !!

18)- ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾ ਪੰਨਾ 1083 !!

19)- ਗਉੜੀ ਝਗਰਾ ਏਕੁ ਨਿਬੇਰਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਜਉ ਤੁਮ ਅਪਨੇ ਜਨ ਸੌ ਕਾਮੁ ਰਹਾਉ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਬਡਾ ਕਿ ਜਾ ਸਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ਰਾਮੁ ਬਡਾ ਕੈ ਰਾਮਹਿ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਡਾ ਕਿ ਜਾਸੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਬੇਦੁ ਬਡਾ ਕਿ ਜਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਆਇਆ ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਹਉ ਭਇਆ ਉਦਾਸੁ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਬਡਾ ਕਿ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਦਾਸੁ ੪੨ ਪੰਨਾ 331 !!

Gauree: Resolve this one conflict for me, O Lord, if you require any work from Your humble servant. ||1||Pause|| Is this mind greater, or the One to whom the mind is attuned? Is the Lord greater, or one who knows the Lord? ||1|| Is Brahma greater, or the One who created Him? Are the Vedas greater, or the One from which they came? ||2|| Says Kabeer, I have become depressed; is the sacred shrine of pilgrimage greater, or the slave of the Lord? ||3||42||

20)- Rove Raam nikaala bhaeyaa !! Sita Lakhman vichurh gayaa !!

In SUKHMANI SAHIB, last phrase of Ashtpadi-19, Guru Arjun Dev Ji says,:--


22)- Eko jap eko saalahe !! Ek simar eko man aahe !! Ekas ke gun gaao anant !! Man tan jaap ek bhagwant !! Eko ek ek har aap !! Puran poor rahio prabh biaap!! Anik bisthaar ek te bhaye !! Ek araadh paraachat gaye !! Man tan antar ek prabh raata!! Gur parsaad Naanak ik jaata !!

23)- While argumenting in the court, Even Bhai SUKHA JI, (Martyr Sukhdev Singh ji) gave a version of Gurbaani to Judge, of the independent identity of Sikhs as per Gurbaani Salok given below:---


Bharao Mahalla 5 !!

varat na rahao na mah ramdaana !! Tis sevi jo rakhey nidaana !! 1 !!

Eko gusaai allahu meraa !! Hindu Turak duhan naberaa !! 1 !! Rahao !

Haj kaabe jaao na teerath pujaa !! Eko sevi awar na dujaa !! 2 !!

Pujaa karao na niwaaz gujaarao !! Ek Nirankaar le ridey namaskaarao !! 3 !!

Na hum Hindu na Musalmaan !! Allah Raam ko pind praan !! 4 !!

Kahu Kabir eh keeaa vakhaana !! Gur Peer mil khud khasam pachaana !! 5!!

24)- GURU GOBIND SINGH JI has also warned SIKHS to not to disobey him as He always stands beside them whenever and wherever He is needed. Sikhs are instructed that Guru sadaa ang-sang hai. Until Sikhs follow the RAHAT MARYADA. If they go other way/against his path, He will not care of them.


"JAB EH GAHEN BIPRAN KI REET !! MAIN NAA KARON INKI PARTEET !!
Bipran=Brahmins or against

25)- He also warns,:-- "RAHAT PIAARI MOHE !! SIKH PIAARA NAHEN !!"

He prefers the Sikhs to follow Sikh traditions, Not his look-a-like of Sikhs. In appraising the almighty Waheguru, He says,:--

26)- INHI KI KIRPAA KE SAJE HAM HAIN !! NAHIN MOSE GARIB KAROR PARE !! A vast majority of Hindus are the followers of SHIV or MAHADEV. In Gurbaani Sikhs are restricted to worship only Niraakar Brahm or omnipresent almighty WAHEGURU, Guru Gobind Singh Ji says,

27)- Mahadev ko kahat sadaa Shiv !! Nirankaar ka cheenat nahin Bhiv !!(Chaupai, Patshahi 10) Means the people who call Mahadev as Sadaa Shiv or the almighty lord, are they not feared of God. Parampita Parmaatma is creator of all deities, durga, Shiv, Vishnu, Brahma, Raam,or Krishna all are his creations. They themselves are not Gods. God or Waheguru is master of all. He can only be truely worshipped by his true name. Sikh Gurus and Guru Granth Saahib Ji inspires the WORD OF GOD.

28)- Sikhhu sabad piaario !! janam maran ki tek !! Mukh ujjal sadd sukhi !! Naanak simrat ek !! So wake up before you get late. Follow his preechings and obey him. Sikhs do not seek MOKSHA/FINAL REST but believe and hope to relax in GURU_CHARNI. He always seek the presence of GURU IN LIFE AND AFTER HIS LIFE. Get baptized with AMRIT to purify your soul and get rid of sins you earned, worship only one almighty God--WAHEGURU, the omnipresent. FOLLOW THE TRUE PATH OF LIFE.

She lies again as Gurbani even says the gopis dancing are the One Ajooni pervading in these forms for His own Leela. She forgets guru nanak dev ji says in Asa di war.Neel bastar le kapde pahire, brindaban men rang kiaa” menas the Krishna wore the blue clothes and had sex with gopis. She further writes : Hindu's are not trying to strangle Sikh identity. Politicized Sikhs are strangling their own spirituality. Just visit again to the blog http://rssagainstsikhism.blogspot.com and see yourself the malicious moves of Hindu organization RSS.

She further asks :

Can you explain why Gurbani praises the das avtaaras as sargun manifestation of the God? Can you explain why Gurbani refers to Guru as an avataar? And as for Sanskrit,

1)- ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਿਕ ਨ ਪਾਏਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵਰਾਯੰਤਾਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬੇਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ॥7॥ Dasam granth.

2)- ਕਾਹੇ ਕੋ ਏਸ ਮਹੇਸਹਿ ਭਾਖਤ ਕਾਹਿ ਦਿਜੇਸ ਕੋ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ
(ਕਿਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਸ਼ਿਵ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਜਾਂ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਤਮਾਂ ਮੰਨਦੇ ਹੋ? )
ਖੋਜ ਰਹੇ ਸ਼ਿਵ ਸੇ ਜਿਹ ਅੰਤ ਅਨੰਤ ਕਹਿਓ ਥਕਿ ਅੰਤ ਨ ਪਾਯੋ
(ਸ਼ਿਵ ਜੀ ਵਰਗੇ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਉਸਦਾ ਅੰਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਾ ਸਕੇਥੱਕ ਕੇ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਅਨੰਤ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ)

"ਅਉਰ ਕਹਾਂ ਭਯੋ ਜਉ ਜਗਦੀਸ਼ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਸੁ ਗਨੇਸ਼ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਮਨਾਯੋ
(ਕਿਹੜੀ ਗੱਲੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਤਮਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਗਨੇਸ਼ ਤੇ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਨੂੰ ਧਿਆਉਂਦੇ ਹੋ? )
ਜਾਹਿ ਸਿਵਾਦਿਕ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਨਿਮਿਯੋ ਸੁ ਸਦਾ ਅਪੁਨੇ ਚਿਤ ਬੀਚ ਬਿਚਾਰਯੋ
(ਜਿਸਨੇ ਸਿਵ ਜੀ ਤੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਪੈਦਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ ਉਸਦਾ ਧਿਆਨ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਰੱਖੋ)

"ਕ੍ਰੋਧੀ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਗਰੇ ਰੁੰਡ ਮਾਲ ਕਉ ਡਾਰਿ ਕੈ ਬੈਠੇ ਹੈ ਡਿੰਭ ਜਨਾਈ
(ਸ਼ਿਵ ਜੀ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੀ ਹੋਕੇ ਸਿਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਮਾਲਾ ਗਲ ਵਿਚ ਪਾਕੇ ਪਾਖੰਡ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਬੈਠਾ ਹੈ)

3)- ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨੇ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਯੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਹੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਨੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸਾਰ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਹੀ ਕਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨਯੋ !!

4)- ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ

5)- ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ

6)- ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ਗੋਂਡ ਆਜੁ ਨਾਮੇ ਬੀਠਲੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਮੂਰਖ ਕੋ ਸਮਝਾਊ ਰੇ ਰਹਾਉ ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਗਾਇਤ੍ਰੀ ਲੋਧੇ ਕਾ ਖੇਤੁ ਖਾਤੀ ਥੀ ਲੈ ਕਰਿ ਠੇਗਾ ਟਗਰੀ ਤੋਰੀ ਲਾਂਗਤ ਲਾਂਗਤ ਜਾਤੀ ਥੀ ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਧਉਲੇ ਬਲਦ ਚੜਿਆ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ਮੋਦੀ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਖਾਣਾ ਪਾਕਾ ਵਾ ਕਾ ਲੜਕਾ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਥਾ ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਰਾਮਚੰਦੁ ਸੋ ਭੀ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ਰਾਵਨ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਰਬਰ ਹੋਈ ਘਰ ਕੀ ਜੋਇ ਗਵਾਈ ਥੀ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਅੰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਤੁਰਕੂ ਕਾਣਾ ਦੁਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਿਆਣਾ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਪੂਜੈ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਮਸੀਤਿ ਨਾਮੇ ਸੋਈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਜਹ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਨ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥” (ਪੰ: ੮੭੪)

The Guru is an enlightner. The Lord Akal Purakh blessed the Sikh Gurus as guru Gobind Singh himself describes in his autobiography that Akal Purakh called him and said that whomsoever he sent on earth, he refered himself as god but no one ever reminded people of the presence of Akal purakh so 10th Guru was ordered to be sent on earth. This is the reason that Guru ji always praised the Akal Purakh in his every script. He even did not cry on the death of his sons in battlefield in front of his eyes or on receiving the news of his younger children bricked alive. But the Saint soldier only thanked the God.

1)- ਅਸ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਖੰਡੋ ਖੜਗ ਤੁਪਕ ਤਬਰ ਅਰੁ ਤੀਰ ਸੈਫ ਸਰੋਹੀ ਸੈਹਥੀ ਯਹੈ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਪੀਰ

2)- ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਗਗਨ ਦਮਾਮਾ ਬਾਜਿਓ ਪਰਿਓ ਨੀਸਾਨੈ ਘਾਉ ਖੇਤੁ ਜੁ ਮਾਂਡਿਓ ਸੂਰਮਾ ਅਬ ਜੂਝਨ ਕੋ ਦਾਉ ਸੂਰਾ ਸੋ ਪਹਿਚਾਨੀਐ ਜੁ ਲਰੈ ਦੀਨ ਕੇ ਹੇਤ ਪੁਰਜਾ ਪੁਰਜਾ ਕਟਿ ਮਰੈ ਕਬਹੂ ਨ ਛਾਡੈ ਖੇਤੁ

Even then before going to sachkhand at hazoor sahib he warned his Sikhs to not to worship him as God and said, “Jo mujhko parmesar ucharhe Te sabh narak kund men parihe !!

Guru Gobind Singh ji from 1675 until 1690 took an extensive courses in Sanskrit, Persian, Arabic, and Punjabi in educating himself. According to chronicles, Pandit Kirpa Dutt helped Guru Gobind singh in his Sanskrit Studies.

1)- ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੀਣਸ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੰਤ ਜਨਮ ਭ੍ਰਸਟਣਹ ਕੂਕਰਹ ਸੂਕਰਹ ਗਰਧਭਹ ਕਾਕਹ ਸਰਪਨਹ ਤੁਲਿ ਖਲਹ ੩੩ ang ੧੩੫੬ !!

2)- ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾ ਪੰਨਾ 1083 !!

Sikhs don't jap mantras of Brahmins, because they can be proven to jap mantras of Vaishnavas. I am curious as to what word for Hindu these authors are using, and in what ways it may be distorted in translation to prove a political view of Sikh separatism supporting the Singh Sabha perspective.

Sikhism was not the state religion during Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s rule. The Maharaja’s regime was essentially secular with patronage evenly distributed amongst the Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs. His Prime Minister was a Hindu Dogra, his Foreign and Interior Ministers were Muslims.


It were the British who tried to foster the sense of identity as distinguished from the Hindus amongst the Sikh soldiers for reasons of their own. However, the Hindu religious practices continued to be followed amongst the Sikh masses; there

were idols even on the premises of the Golden Temple.

"ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਪੂਜਤ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਉ ਕਛੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਮੈ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਨਾਹੀ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਪੂਜ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਜਿਹ ਪੂਜਤ ਹੀ ਅਘ ਓਘ ਮਿਟਾਹੀ

In order to meet this challenge, the Singh Sabha Movement was launched towards the close of the nineteenth century. It was a reformist movement which laid stress on the distinctive Sikh identity. The process continued in one form or another until 1950 when a statement of the Sikh Rahat Maryada (the Sikh Way of Life) was adopted by the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee, the statutory Sikh Council.

Religious Tolerance in Sikhism - Mainstream Weekly

ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਮੁਹੁ ਫੇਰੇ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਨ ਚਿਤਿ ਧਰੈ ਕਰਿ ਆਚਾਰ ਬਹੁ ਸੰਪਉ ਸੰਚੈ ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰੈ ਸੁ ਨਰਕਿ ਪਰੈ

Thousand-headed is Purusa, thousand-eyed, thousand-footed. Having covered the earth on all sides, he stood above it the width of ten fingers. Only Purusa is all this, that which has been and that which is to be. He is the lord of the immortals, who grow by means of [ritual] food. Such is his greatness, yet more than this is Purusa. One-quarter of him is all beings; three- quarters of him is the immortal in heaven. Three-quarters of Purusa went upward, one-quarter of him remained here...When they divided Purusa, how many ways did they apportion him? What was his mouth? What were his arms? What were his thighs, his feet declared to be? His mouth was the Brahman [caste], his arms were the Rajanaya [Ksatriya caste], his thighs the Vaisya [caste]; from his feet the Sudra [caste] was born. ~Rig Veda… And this Lord Krishna ran away from the battle field and called RANCHORH. The cheater (Chaliya), Lusty (Raas Leela) and a coward who ran away from battle field is their this Lord.

According to the Rig Veda, all the castes are created from the God, and thus, are part of the God.

"ਗਉੜੀ ਝਗਰਾ ਏਕੁ ਨਿਬੇਰਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਜਉ ਤੁਮ ਅਪਨੇ ਜਨ ਸੌ ਕਾਮੁ ਰਹਾਉ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਬਡਾ ਕਿ ਜਾ ਸਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ਰਾਮੁ ਬਡਾ ਕੈ ਰਾਮਹਿ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਡਾ ਕਿ ਜਾਸੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਬੇਦੁ ਬਡਾ ਕਿ ਜਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਆਇਆ ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਹਉ ਭਇਆ ਉਦਾਸੁ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਬਡਾ ਕਿ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਦਾਸੁ ੪੨॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 331}"

In the Chandogya Upanishad, Satyakama (the illegitimate, varnasankra, son of a Shudra woman who did not even remember who her son's father was) went on to be accepted and educated for Brahmin work (the Gita: Ch. 18 - verse 42). This shows that the people (including the Shudra and of unknown lineage) had the choice of pursuing any occupation (even that of a Brahmin).

http://www.geocities.com/lamberdar/_caste.html

Have some shame upon you. Your lord Rama, buried alive a shudra Sahmbhu on charges of him listening the Vedas and you are trying to defend his atrocities?

All of the problems you have highlighted are a direct consequence, not of Sikh action, but rather Congress party activity in the late 70s and 80s. Can you turn around and tell me that Sikhs were separatist prior to this, or were they loyal to India to the point that MANY gave their lives for its independence? It's common knowledge that Indira Gandhi tried to manipulate Punjab politics for her own end. Also the infiltration of the so-called Khalistani movement is well known with some people involved speaking up about it and questioning its morality now.


Recently I visited the doctors. The GP I saw was a Hindu Panjabi. He spoke about his anger at the politics of communalism followed by Congress. Those of us from a Panjabi background over a certain age will know prior to 84, many Sikhs considered Hindus as their brothers and sisters.


If this has changed now - You have to truly and honestly ask why. I again reiterate it was the governments own policies that brought this about.

In the end I remind all those who have jeopardized the Guru and given up the Sikhi or betrayed they should remember the true words from Sri guru Granth Sahib ji as,

ਮਃ 1 ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਛੀ ਤਾਰੂ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੇ ਪੰਖੀ ਕਿਆ ਆਕਾਸੁ ਪਥਰ ਪਾਲਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੇ ਖੁਸਰੇ ਕਿਆ ਘਰ ਵਾਸੁ ਕੁਤੇ ਚੰਦਨੁ ਲਾਈਐ ਭੀ ਸੋ ਕੁਤੀ ਧਾਤੁ ਬੋਲਾ ਜੇ ਸਮਝਾਈਐ ਪੜੀਅਹਿ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਪਾਠ ਅੰਧਾ ਚਾਨਣਿ ਰਖੀਐ ਦੀਵੇ ਬਲਹਿ ਪਚਾਸ ਚਉਣੇ ਸੁਇਨਾ ਪਾਈਐ ਚੁਣਿ ਚੁਣਿ ਖਾਵੈ ਘਾਸੁ ਲੋਹਾ ਮਾਰਣਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਢਹੈ ਨ ਹੋਇ ਕਪਾਸ ਨਾਨਕ ਮੂਰਖ ਏਹਿ ਗੁਣ ਬੋਲੇ ਸਦਾ ਵਿਣਾਸੁ ॥ 1 ॥

Harjas and many others who have joined RSS and given up the Sikhism but in their ignorance they mis-interpreet Gurbani. Guru ji says for such people:

1)- "ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਰੀਸੈ ਹੋਰਿ ਕਚੁ ਪਿਚੁ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਸੇ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ਕੂੜੇ ਝੜਿ ਪੜੀਐ ਓਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਹੋਰੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਰੁ ਹੈ ਬਿਖੁ ਮਾਇਆ ਨੋ ਝਖਿ ਮਰਦੇ ਕੜੀਐ !! ang 304 !!

2)- ਰਤੇ ਇਸਕ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਰੰਗਿ ਦੀਦਾਰ ਕੇ ਵਿਸਰਿਆ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇ ਭੁਇ ਭਾਰੁ ਥੀਏ ੧ ਰਹਾਉ

Harjas has talked so much against Sikhism so i too would like to ask a few questions from her. please see this and answer if you can :

What is the definition of Hindu;

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080422182415AA6JDdU

Do you believe all these as real facts:

1) Krishna married 16008 girls and he was able to keep everyone happy and satisfied, he was a kind of gigglo. He raped many dalit girls and later story was twisted as if he married all 16008 girls.

2) Hanumanji lifted full mountain with his one hand

3) Monkey built the bridge over the sea in south india.

4) Saraswati married to Brahma , her own father

5) Ram and Ramayana is 400 million years old

6) Draupadi married to five brothers ( looks like family incest)

7) Kauravs had 100 sons.

8) Kunti became virgin mother.

9) Ravan had 10 heads, he was devil, because he was not Aryan, though he was more powerful, because a mortal man needed no bridge to come to India, but Ram had to build a bridge with the help of Monkies to go to Sri Lanka.

10) A God has elephant face

11) A God has monkey face

12) Sacrificing animals (murdering) makes god happy.- So Karma theory is bogus claim by Hindus.

13) Variety of war missiles used in Mahabharatha- astra , shastra. But still import all kind of war material from foreign countries.

14) Vishnu has so many avatars, Even Gandhiji, Albert Einstein, George bush , Pope are Vishnu's avatar...LOL.

15) Brahma and his wife used to go out every day to create the world and all the things in it.

16) Agni is the son of his father and his sister [ Rg Ved.I.91.7 ]

Father-daughter incest occurs in the famous story of Prajapati (later
identified with Brahma, in tunr incorporated as an incarnation of Vishnu) and
his daughter [ RV III.31.1-2 ].

17) Pushan is the lover of his sister [Rg Ved VI.55.4 ][ Apte 11 ]

We all believe these ... because it is written in mythology, if you don't believe we are fools.

http://hindu.com/fline/fl1720/17200040.htm

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1720/fl172001.pdf

Actually Hindu is not any religion. This word is originated from Persia, Iran) where it means-THIEF. When Persians came across river Indus, most of them settled here. They brought their culture here and these people were called Aryans. It is said that these Aryans pushed the Drawids (the locals) to south across Vindhyachal.

Can some one tell me about at least one God in Hinduism which ever existed? There are evidences by Govt of India sponsored institutions who say even Ram never existed who was merely a role model character like spiderman. The first prime minister of India also said Ramayan and Mahabharata are mere Arabian night stories.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji fateh !

Ajmer Singh Randhawa.